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Modern WisdomOct 27, 2025

#1012 - Alex O’Connor & Joe Folley - Is Being Smart Worth the Depression?

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#1012 - Alex O’Connor & Joe Folley - Is Being Smart Worth the Depression? mentions The Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle, The Myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus, On The Heights Of Despair by Emil Turan, and Better Never to Have Been by David Benatar with timestamps, quotes, and episode context.

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I would say, you know, even after over 2,000 years, the most useful book of philosophy for anyone to read.

Camus says in the myth of Sisyphus for the man who does not cheat, what he determines to be true must determine his action.

I think that Turan is so good at is that oftentimes when you're reading him, he's very good at subtly shifting the scope.

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Alex O’Connor is a YouTuber, writer and a podcaster. Joe Folley is a philosopher, writer, and host of the Unsolicited Advice YouTube channel. Philosophy has spent thousands of years trying to teach us how to live well. But the deeper you go, the darker it gets. So what’s the point? What can we take from all that heaviness, and how do we find beauty in the darkness to make our own lives better? Expect to learn if philosophy always meant to be practically applicable, or if that is that a modern reinterpretation, which ancient schools have been most unfairly ignored, which branches of philosophy should be jettisoned entirely, why everyone hate philosophy of mind, the differences between academic and practical philosophy, the darkest philosophies you’ve probably never heard of, why modern discourse always feel ironic and why no one speaks earnestly any more and much more…
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The Nicomachean Ethics
Aristotle

The host emphasizes the enduring relevance of Aristotle's 'The Nicomachean Ethics' in understanding ethics and virtue…

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The Myth of Sisyphus
Albert Camus

The host discusses David Benatar's views on the morality of existence and suffering, referencing Camus' 'The Myth of…

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On The Heights Of Despair
Emil Turan

The host highlights Emil Turan's work as a profound exploration of pessimism and nihilism, suggesting that engaging w…

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Better Never to Have Been
David Benatar

The host discusses antinatalism and introduces David Benatar's book as a significant philosophical work on the morali…

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Notes from the Underground
Fyodor Dostoevsky

The host discusses Dostoevsky's 'Notes from the Underground' in relation to the historical and political context that…

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The Plague
Albert Camus

The host discusses how Camus' work, particularly 'The Plague', reflects his philosophical struggles with absurdism an…

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The Leviathan
Thomas Hobbes

The host discusses the importance of understanding the historical context and personal motivations behind philosophic…

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The Trouble With Being Born
Emil Turan

The host discusses nihilism and its implications, referencing Emil Turan's work to illustrate the complexities of pes…

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The Nicomachean Ethics cover
Best for Anyone interested in philosophy and ethicsOften cited around Aristotle's ethical insights

Aristotle in some ways following in the footsteps of some of you as thinkers like Epicurus is a very, very big fan of friendship. It's in two. It's book eight and nine of the Nicomachean Ethics.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Anyone interested in philosophy and ethics
Key quote: I would say, you know, even after over 2,000 years, the most useful book of philosophy for anyone to read.
The host emphasizes the enduring relevance of Aristotle's 'The Nicomachean Ethics' in understanding ethics and virtues. They highlight its practical insights and the importance of fulfilling basic physical needs for a flourishing life.
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The Myth of Sisyphus cover
Best for Philosophy enthusiasts and those interested in existential thoughtOften cited around philosophy of existence

Camus talks about a few examples at the beginning of the myth of Sisyphus, mentioning philosophers who wrote tracts and then killed themselves to bring attention to their work.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Philosophy enthusiasts and those interested in existential thought
Key quote: Camus says in the myth of Sisyphus for the man who does not cheat, what he determines to be true must determine his action.
The host discusses David Benatar's views on the morality of existence and suffering, referencing Camus' 'The Myth of Sisyphus' to illustrate philosophical perspectives on life and suicide. This leads to a deeper exploration of the implications of believing life is not worth living.
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On The Heights Of Despair cover
Best for Readers interested in existential philosophy and pessimismOften cited around nihilism as a philosophy

His first book is called On The Heights Of Despair. It's, you know, truly melodramatic.

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Sentiment: Highly Recommended
For: Readers interested in existential philosophy and pessimism
Key quote: I think that Turan is so good at is that oftentimes when you're reading him, he's very good at subtly shifting the scope.
The host highlights Emil Turan's work as a profound exploration of pessimism and nihilism, suggesting that engaging with such philosophies can provide valuable insights. Turan's ability to blend dark themes with moments of lightheartedness makes his writing particularly compelling for those interested in existential thought.
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Better Never to Have Been cover
Best for Philosophy enthusiasts and those interested in ethical discussions about life and procreation.Often cited around pessimistic philosophy discussion

He wrote a book called Better Never to Have Been, which sounds like one of these sort of, you know, I'm about to write about how terrible how terrible life is.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Philosophy enthusiasts and those interested in ethical discussions about life and procreation.
Key quote: David Benatar is the sort of superstar of antinatalism.
The host discusses antinatalism and introduces David Benatar's book as a significant philosophical work on the morality of procreation. He emphasizes that Benatar's arguments challenge conventional views on life and suffering, making it a thought-provoking read.
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Notes from the Underground cover
Best for Readers interested in philosophy and political theoryOften cited around Dostoevsky's philosophical context

Dostoevsky's Notes from the Underground originally contained a chapter arguing for the necessity of Christianity, which was censored.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in philosophy and political theory
Key quote: Dostoevsky, his Notes from the Underground, one of the most famous of his books because it's so short and easy to read, originally contained a chapter which essentially argued for the necessity of Christianity as Dostoevsky saw it.
The host discusses Dostoevsky's 'Notes from the Underground' in relation to the historical and political context that influenced its writing. They highlight the book's nihilistic themes and the censorship it faced, which adds depth to its interpretation.
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The Plague
Albert Camus
Best for Readers interested in philosophy and literatureOften cited around Camus and absurdism

The Plague is an amazing novel that became a bestseller during COVID, exploring how people cope with a plague in Oran.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in philosophy and literature
Key quote: The Plague is an amazing novel.
The host discusses how Camus' work, particularly 'The Plague', reflects his philosophical struggles with absurdism and the value of life. They highlight how the novel became relevant during the COVID pandemic, serving as an exploration of human resilience in the face of suffering.
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The Leviathan
Thomas Hobbes
Best for Students of philosophy and political theoryOften cited around historical context of thought

Hobbes writes The Leviathan, advocating for submission to an authoritarian dictator during the English Civil War.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Students of philosophy and political theory
Key quote: Why does Thomas Hobbes write The Leviathan? Because he had to flee him being a royalist during the English Civil War.
The host discusses the importance of understanding the historical context and personal motivations behind philosophical writings. They mention Hobbes' 'The Leviathan' as a response to his experiences during the English Civil War, emphasizing the need for authoritarian control in turbulent times.
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The Trouble With Being Born cover
Best for Individuals interested in existential philosophy and pessimismOften cited around nihilism and philosophy

One's called The Trouble With Being Born. Another's called A Short History Of Decay.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Individuals interested in existential philosophy and pessimism
Key quote: I think that Turan is so good at is that oftentimes when you're reading him, he's very good at subtly shifting the scope.
The host discusses nihilism and its implications, referencing Emil Turan's work to illustrate the complexities of pessimistic philosophies. Turan's book, 'The Trouble With Being Born,' is highlighted as a significant exploration of these themes, showcasing a blend of dark outlooks with moments of lightheartedness.
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The Rebel
Albert Camus
Best for Philosophy enthusiasts and studentsOften cited around Camus' philosophical evolution

Camus writes The Rebel, discussing what an absurdist can coherently value without falling back on a leap of faith.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Philosophy enthusiasts and students
Key quote: And so, you know, and then Camus writes The Rebel, which is one of his later works, which is, again, discussing, you know, what can an absurdist coherently value without simply falling back onto a kind of leap of faith or something.
The host discusses how Albert Camus' later works, including 'The Rebel', reflect his ongoing struggle with absurdism and the complexities of human values. They emphasize the importance of understanding the evolution of a philosopher's thoughts over time, rather than viewing them as static.
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A Short History Of Decay cover
Best for Readers interested in existential philosophy and pessimismOften cited around nihilism and philosophy

One's called The Trouble With Being Born. Another's called A Short History Of Decay.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in existential philosophy and pessimism
Key quote: I think that Turan is so good at is that oftentimes when you're reading him, he's very good at subtly shifting the scope.
The host discusses nihilism and its implications, referencing Emil Turan's works as examples of pessimistic philosophy. Turan's writings, including 'A Short History Of Decay,' are highlighted for their ability to convey a dark yet sometimes lighthearted perspective on life.
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Caligula
Albert Camus
Best for Readers interested in existential philosophy and Camus' worksOften cited around Camus and existentialism

Camus writes a play called Caligula, which explores the consequences of his earlier philosophical ideas.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Readers interested in existential philosophy and Camus' works
Key quote: Camus clearly is troubled by this because one of the next things he writes is a play called Caligula, which is all about the Roman emperor, a kind of fictionalized version of the Roman emperor Caligula, going absolutely batshit and killing lots of people.
The host discusses how Camus' play 'Caligula' reflects his struggle with the implications of his own philosophical ideas about absurdism and the value of life. This mention serves to illustrate the evolution of Camus' thought and his grappling with moral nihilism.
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The Republic cover
Best for Students of philosophy and political theoryOften cited around Plato's philosophical development

Plato's The Republic is a political treatise that also explores the theory of the human mind.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Students of philosophy and political theory
Key quote: In The Republic, he's very focused on what makes a good ruler.
The host discusses the evolution of Plato's thoughts as reflected in his works, particularly 'The Republic' and 'The Laws'. They highlight how personal experiences, such as Plato's disillusionment with a tyrant, influenced his philosophical writings.
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The Laws cover
Best for Students of philosophy and political theoryOften cited around Plato's development of thought

In The Laws, Plato focuses on how to keep everyone in check rather than what makes a good ruler.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Students of philosophy and political theory
Key quote: In The Republic, he's very focused on what makes a good ruler. And in The Laws, he's very focused on, okay, he'd had a quite a disillusioning experience with a tyrant called Dionysus.
The host discusses Plato's evolution in thought from 'The Republic' to 'The Laws', highlighting how his experiences influenced his philosophical writings. This transition reflects a shift from idealism about rulers to practical governance concerns, shaped by disillusionment with tyrants.
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The Treatise Concerning Human Nature cover
Best for Students and enthusiasts of philosophyOften cited around philosophical development over time

David Hume writes The Treatise Concerning Human Nature, which he later revises into a shorter work.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Students and enthusiasts of philosophy
Key quote: David Hume writes the... What's the first one? The Treatise Concerning Human Nature.
The host mentions 'The Treatise Concerning Human Nature' to illustrate how philosophers evolve in their thinking over time. They highlight that Hume's later works reflect a revision of his earlier ideas, emphasizing the importance of understanding the chronology of philosophical texts.
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Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding cover
Best for Philosophy students and enthusiastsOften cited around Hume's philosophical revisions

Hume revises his thoughts into the much shorter Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding, posited as an update.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Philosophy students and enthusiasts
Key quote: Hume revises his thoughts into the much shorter Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding, posited as an update.
The host briefly mentions Hume's work as a condensed version of his earlier thoughts. This book serves as an update to his philosophical inquiries.
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The Righteous Mind
Jonathan Haidt
Best for Individuals interested in moral philosophy and ethicsOften cited around consequentialists and ethics

The excerpt discusses an example from Jonathan Haidt's book, which involves consequentialists and a theoretical scenario regarding incest.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in moral philosophy and ethics
Key quote: The excerpt discusses an example from Jonathan Haidt's book, which involves consequentialists and a theoretical scenario regarding incest.
The host briefly mentions 'The Righteous Mind' to illustrate a point about ethical reasoning. This reference serves to highlight the complexities in moral judgments through a specific example from the book.
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Galileo's Era
Philip Goff
Best for Individuals interested in philosophy and consciousness studiesOften cited around philosophy of mind

Philip was the first guy I had an entire conversation with about, and that was on his first book.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Individuals interested in philosophy and consciousness studies
Key quote: So Philip was the first guy I had an entire conversation with about, and that was on his first book.
The host mentions 'Galileo's Era' in the context of discussing the intersection of philosophy and neuroscience, particularly in relation to panpsychism. This reference serves to highlight the growing interest in philosophical inquiries that incorporate empirical findings from various scientific disciplines.
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Stendhal cover
Best for Readers interested in philosophy and collective consciousnessOften cited around 19th century writing

Stendhal, the French author, travels around Europe and in his little notes, he talks about the spirit of the German and the spirit of Italy.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in philosophy and collective consciousness
Key quote: Stendhal, the French author, travels around Europe.
The host mentions Stendhal to illustrate the historical perspective on the 'spirit of nations' and how it relates to collective consciousness. This reference serves to highlight how past writers perceived groups of people as having animating principles, which can be seen as a metaphor for modern discussions on consciousness.
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The Nicomachean Ethics
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I would say, you know, even after over 2,000 years, the most useful book of philosophy for anyone to read.
The Myth of Sisyphus
Modern Wisdom · 40:15
Camus says in the myth of Sisyphus for the man who does not cheat, what he determines to be true must determine his action.
On The Heights Of Despair
Modern Wisdom · 24:40
I think that Turan is so good at is that oftentimes when you're reading him, he's very good at subtly shifting the scope.
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The Nicomachean Ethics
Aristotle

The host emphasizes the enduring relevance of Aristotle's 'The Nicomachean Ethics' in understanding ethics and virtues. They highlight its practica…

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The Myth of Sisyphus
Albert Camus

The host discusses David Benatar's views on the morality of existence and suffering, referencing Camus' 'The Myth of Sisyphus' to illustrate philos…

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On The Heights Of Despair
Emil Turan

The host highlights Emil Turan's work as a profound exploration of pessimism and nihilism, suggesting that engaging with such philosophies can prov…

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