#959 - Underoath - The Hidden Struggles Of Mental Health In Music

Mark Manson

Mark said to me, it's like, the worst thing that I could have done was have a book that went that big.

David Buss

David bus grandfather of evolutionary psychology here at the university of Texas.

Mark Manson

Mark Manson, good friend of mine, his first book actually is from 2013. It's called Models.

Guest: Underoath

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Aaron Gillespie is the drummer, vocalist, and songwriter for Underoath. Tim McTague is the lead guitarist, backing vocalist, and songwriter for Underoath. Sex, drugs, and rock & roll, the dream every young man grows up hearing about. But is it all it’s made out to be? Aaron and Tim, from one of Metal’s most legendary bands, Underoath, have lived that life. The shows, the parties, the chaos, but also the sleepless nights, the fractured relationships, & the moments of wondering if it’s all worth it. Behind the noise & fame, what does the rockstar life actually cost? Expect to learn the origins of Underoath and what life is like on the road, how touring in a band affects your relationships with the ones you love and how it takes a toll on your mental health, what the rollercoaster of success is like and how the guys were able to deal with fame, the top 5 deathbed regrets of rockstars, what the songwriting scene is like In Nashville at the moment, how men can age peacefully & well, and much more...

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Mark Manson

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David Buss

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Mark Manson

The host mentions Mark Manson's book 'Models' to illustrate the challenges of self-perception and success in both mus…

Elon Musk

Walter Isaacson

The host discusses the emotional toll of being someone admired, using Elon Musk as a case study. He references Musk's…

Atomic Habits

James Clear

The host discusses the emotional challenges artists face when comparing their success to others, referencing the book…

dealing with success and jealousy(2)price of admiration(1)self-improvement and success(1)understanding sexual attraction(1)

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Mark Manson

Best for Artists and creatives navigating successOften cited around dealing with success and jealousy

“But then he writes The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck in like 2018, something like that. And this thing has been on the New York Times bestseller list for like 250 weeks.”

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Trigger: dealing with success and jealousy

For: Artists and creatives navigating success

Key quote: “Mark said to me, it's like, the worst thing that I could have done was have a book that went that big.”

The host discusses the emotional challenges artists face when comparing their success to others, using Mark Manson's work as a reference point. He highlights how Manson's book addresses the pressures of achievement and the importance of gratitude in the face of competition.

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David Buss

Best for Individuals exploring relationship dynamics and sexual psychology.Often cited around understanding sexual attraction

“David Buss, grandfather of evolutionary psychology, wrote a book called The Evolution of Desire, explaining how men have a brain area that rewards them for looking at sexual stimuli.”

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Trigger: understanding sexual attraction

For: Individuals exploring relationship dynamics and sexual psychology.

Key quote: “David bus grandfather of evolutionary psychology here at the university of Texas.”

The host mentions 'The Evolution of Desire' to explain the natural instincts behind sexual attraction and how they can coexist with commitment in relationships. The book provides insights that help individuals understand their feelings without guilt or shame, emphasizing that such attractions are a normal part of being human.

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Mark Manson

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“Mark Manson, good friend of mine, his first book actually is from 2013. It's called Models. It's one of the best books for guys that want to learn how to be more attractive to women.”

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Trigger: self-improvement and success

For: Individuals seeking personal growth and relationship advice.

Key quote: “Mark Manson, good friend of mine, his first book actually is from 2013. It's called Models.”

The host mentions Mark Manson's book 'Models' to illustrate the challenges of self-perception and success in both music and writing. He emphasizes how Manson's insights can help individuals navigate feelings of jealousy and validation in their personal and professional lives.

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Elon Musk

Walter Isaacson

Best for Individuals interested in the realities of success and personal struggleOften cited around price of admiration

“The excerpt mentions reading the biography done on Elon Musk, discussing the pressures and mental state of being him.”

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Trigger: price of admiration

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Key quote: “Do you want to fucking be that guy? Cause that's the price that you need to pay to be Elon Musk.”

The host discusses the emotional toll of being someone admired, using Elon Musk as a case study. He references Musk's biography to illustrate the hidden struggles behind success and the misconceptions people have about wanting to be like him.

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Atomic Habits

James Clear

Best for Artists and creatives navigating successOften cited around dealing with success and jealousy

“Atomic Habits by James Clear. Morgan House, all the psychology of money.”

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Sentiment: Deep Dive

Trigger: dealing with success and jealousy

For: Artists and creatives navigating success

Key quote: “It's like the author. Those internal dialogues are all getting a drink at the same bar all the time.”

The host discusses the emotional challenges artists face when comparing their success to others, referencing the book 'Atomic Habits' to highlight the importance of consistent improvement. This book serves as a reminder that personal growth should be prioritized over external validation.

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The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck

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Mark said to me, it's like, the worst thing that I could have done was have a book that went that big.

The Evolution of Desire

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David bus grandfather of evolutionary psychology here at the university of Texas.

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Mark Manson, good friend of mine, his first book actually is from 2013. It's called Models.

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