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Show 58 Kings Of Kings Iii

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Notable books mentioned: Xerxes by Peter Green, History of the Persians by A.T. Olmsted, Plutarch, Herodotus by null

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Xerxes
Peter Green

The host discusses the complexities of succession among Persian kings, particularly focusing on Darius the Great and his son Xerxes. The mention of…

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Mentioned at 29:27
History of the Persians
A.T. Olmsted

The host discusses the complexities of Xerxes' reign and how historical narratives have shaped his reputation. They reference A.T. Olmsted's 'Histo…

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Plutarch

The host references Plutarch to illustrate the horrific nature of ancient Persian punishments, particularly the ordeal of the boats. This mention s…

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  • Referenced books include Xerxes by Peter Green and History of the Persians by A.T. Olmsted.
  • The strongest audience signal points to History enthusiasts and students of ancient empires and Historians and readers interested in Persian history.

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History enthusiasts and students of ancient empiresHistorians and readers interested in Persian historyHistorians and those interested in ancient punishment practicesHistorians and students of ancient historyHistorians and military strategy enthusiastsReaders interested in historical narratives

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Xerxes
Peter Green
Best for History enthusiasts and students of ancient empiresOften cited around Persian kings and succession

Peter Green's book discusses the historical reputation of Xerxes, portraying him as a misunderstood figure amidst Greek propaganda.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: History enthusiasts and students of ancient empires
Key quote: Xerxes is also hindered, historically speaking, by the fact that the portrayal of him fits nicely into a couple of different narratives, which are the way this story has always been told.
The host discusses the complexities of succession among Persian kings, particularly focusing on Darius the Great and his son Xerxes. The mention of Peter Green's 'Xerxes' serves to highlight the historical narratives and expectations surrounding Xerxes as a ruler.
ASIN: B0006DYHBY
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Best for Historians and readers interested in Persian historyOften cited around Xerxes and Persian history

A.T. Olmsted wrote a history of the Persians that also addresses the character of Xerxes as a misunderstood figure.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and readers interested in Persian history
Key quote: A.T. Olmsted, right after the Second World War was writing his history of the Persians, and Xerxes was called a misunderstood and maligned figure.
The host discusses the complexities of Xerxes' reign and how historical narratives have shaped his reputation. They reference A.T. Olmsted's 'History of the Persians' to highlight the ongoing debate about Xerxes as a misunderstood figure in history.
ASIN: B0BC3TZ4HL
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Best for Historians and those interested in ancient punishment practicesOften cited around Persian execution methods

Remember, it's Plutarch 450 years later or thereabouts, who says that the response that Leonidas, king of the Spartans, remember, they always have two of them.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and those interested in ancient punishment practices
Key quote: according to the ancient Greek author Plutarch, writing hundreds of years later, it took one guy 17 days to die.
The host references Plutarch to illustrate the horrific nature of ancient Persian punishments, particularly the ordeal of the boats. This mention serves to contrast historical methods of execution with modern perspectives on punishment and justice.
ASIN: 0140445641
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Best for Historians and students of ancient historyOften cited around Persian Empire leadership

The excerpt discusses the historical accounts of Herodotus regarding the Battle of Plataea and the interactions between the Spartans and Persians.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and students of ancient history
Key quote: Herodotus gives this passage where he says that Darius is mad and now he will punish the Greeks and he will maybe do it personally.
The host discusses the leadership qualities of Darius the Great and how he was perceived by his contemporaries, referencing Herodotus to illustrate Darius's character and the challenges faced by empires. This mention serves to highlight the complexities of leadership in ancient times and the historical context provided by Herodotus's writings.
ASIN: 1918121001
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Tseus
Lloyd Llewellyn Jones and James Robson
Best for Historians and students of ancient historyOften cited around Persian history perspective

The excerpt discusses the history of Persia as presented by Tseus, highlighting the author's perspective on Persian wealth and culture.

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Sentiment: Critical Analysis
For: Historians and students of ancient history
Key quote: In my copy of Tseus, which is the Lloyd Llewellyn Jones and James Robson version, those two write the prologue.
The host discusses the limitations of Tisius's historical account of Persia, highlighting its focus on Greek interests and sensationalism. This mention serves to contrast Tisius's narrative style with that of Herodotus, emphasizing the challenges of relying on such sources for a comprehensive understanding of history.
ASIN: B09FDN34R4
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Best for Historians and military strategy enthusiastsOften cited around Greek vs Persian warfare

Thucydides is referenced as a historian who wrote about the Greeks, providing relevant facts about Persia in his accounts.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and military strategy enthusiasts
Key quote: A historian that Right after this period, he's one of the biggies and one of the greats, Thucydides, Thucydides, he basically says, and I'm paraphrasing here, the barbarians blew it.
The host mentions Thucydides to illustrate the historical perspective on military decisions and cultural differences in warfare. Thucydides' insights are used to explain how poor decisions contributed to the Persian defeat against the Greeks.
ASIN: B0FJ85YVCX
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Best for Readers interested in historical narrativesOften cited around historical storytelling

Will Durant, who of course, love, but writing in 1935 when there was a different view of these things, kept the same sort of an idea going in an extremely satisfying from a storyteller and old-time historian standpoint.

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Sentiment: Passing Reference
For: Readers interested in historical narratives
Key quote: Will Durant, who of course, love, but writing in 1935 when there was a different view of these things, kept the same sort of an idea going in an extremely satisfying from a storyteller and old-time historian standpoint.
The host mentions 'The Story of Civilization' to highlight Will Durant's approach to history as a storyteller. This reference serves to illustrate how historical perspectives have evolved since the book's publication in 1935.
ASIN: B0026S3RGS
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Persia
Pierre Brion
Best for History enthusiasts and students of ancient civilizations.Often cited around Achaemenid Persian Empire

Compare that to something like Pierre Brion's giant tome on Persia, where so much of it, especially in the period we're coming up to is comparing this ancient author to this ancient author and basically finding problems with both of what they say.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: History enthusiasts and students of ancient civilizations.
Key quote: This is one of the great topics in all world history.
The host mentions 'Persia' by Pierre Brion as part of a detailed exploration of the Achaemenid Persian Empire and its significant historical battles. This book serves as a foundational text that complements the extensive discussion on the empire's kings and their governance.
ASIN: B0CMMTJRL7
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The History of Persia
Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones
Best for Historians and enthusiasts of ancient Persian historyOften cited around Xerxes and Persian history

Historian Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones, who's the one sort of putting this Tisius translation that I have together, he writes a very good defense of the idea of harem intrigues that sort of gives a pretty darn good historical justification.

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Sentiment: Deep Dive
For: Historians and enthusiasts of ancient Persian history
Key quote: The politics of dealing with the gods of local communities is fast.
The host discusses the complexities of Xerxes' rule and the perception of Persian kingship, particularly in relation to their treatment of conquered peoples. This leads to a mention of 'The History of Persia' as a resource for understanding the nuances of Persian history and the challenges of historical documentation.
ASIN: B09X7D4WCM
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