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Thucydides

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Thucydides describes the Phoenicians as barbarians and discusses their historical interactions with the Greeks.

Sentiment: Deep Dive
Trigger: Greek historians and Phoenicians
For: History enthusiasts and students of ancient civilizations
Key quote: Thucydides, the great historian of the Peloponnesian War, he describes the Phoenicians as barbarians.
The host discusses the portrayal of Phoenicians by Greek historians, particularly Thucydides, highlighting their complex relationship with the Greeks. This mention serves to illustrate the historical rivalry and cultural similarities that fueled animosity between these ancient civilizations.
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Thucydides is mentioned as the archetype of a historian who writes his book to be a possession for all time, with lessons applicable to current events.

Sentiment: Critical Analysis
Trigger: lessons from history
For: Historians and students of history
Key quote: But I think that that is to, certainly to misunderstand Thucydides, and it's to understand the nature of history generally, because actually Thucydides is never saying that he's not giving hard and cast lessons.
The host discusses how people often seek to draw lessons from history that align with their pre-existing beliefs, using Thucydides as a key example. They argue that while Thucydides is frequently cited for hard lessons, his work actually highlights the complexities and contingencies of historical events.